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Mon, Mar 8 2010 1:37 PM | Permanent Link |
Luis Conception Gonzalez | Hi!
Please, forgive me if I have multiposted this. I have problems with my newsgroup software. I'm using DBISAM 4 (latest version) and Delphi 7 Pro in a C/S application over internet. I have noticed that 'Table.Post' takes about 3 or 3.5 seconds to execute on a table with about 15 fields (one of them is a memo field). I have tried with different indexes, and trying to disable-enable controls, etc... with no success. Is it possible to improve it or it is due to latency and I wouldn't worry about it? Thanks! -- Santy |
Mon, Mar 8 2010 2:03 PM | Permanent Link |
Robert Kaplan | <Luis Conception Gonzalez> wrote in message news:5DA90420-C12E-4FB1-9FF0-F02E1ACD3012@news.elevatesoft.com... > Hi! > > Please, forgive me if I have multiposted this. I have problems with my > newsgroup software. > > I'm using DBISAM 4 (latest version) and Delphi 7 Pro in a C/S application > over internet. > > I have noticed that 'Table.Post' takes about 3 or 3.5 seconds to execute > on > a table with about 15 fields (one of them is a memo field). > I have tried with different indexes, and trying to disable-enable > controls, > etc... with no success. > > Is it possible to improve it or it is due to latency and I wouldn't worry > about it? > 3 seconds is absurd. Something is wrong. Do other tables take as long? If you do just an edit / post, without changing anything, does it take as long? Do you have event handlers before or after posting? Robert |
Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:03 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. ![]() | Luis,
<< I'm using DBISAM 4 (latest version) and Delphi 7 Pro in a C/S application over internet. >> What kind of bandwidth is available for your Internet connection ? And how is the DBISAM Database Server connected to the Internet ? Is it using a high-speed connection, and if so, is it synchronous bandwidth (same up and down speed), or asynchronous bandwidth (high down speed, but low up speed) ? << Is it possible to improve it or it is due to latency and I wouldn't worry about it? >> It's most definitely a bandwidth/latency issue. Whether you should worry about it or not depends upon whether this is how the production system will be/or is set up. BTW, your DBISAM support plan expired at the end of December 2009. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Tue, Mar 9 2010 5:21 AM | Permanent Link |
Luis Conception Gonzalez | > BTW, your DBISAM support plan expired at the end of December 2009.
Ok, renewed. > Is it using a high-speed connection, and if so, is it synchronous > bandwidth (same up and down speed), or asynchronous bandwidth (high down > speed, but low up speed) ? DBISAM Server computer has the following DSL connection, after a speed test: 24522 Kb/s down 19032 Kb/s up Client computer has the following DSL: 8360 Kb/s down 258 Kb/s up I have tried with two different tables. Both of them has a memo field. I just Edit and Post, or Append and Post a single record. There are no events handlers, internal processes, etc... I'm using an empty test application. Connection to the server takes just 0,6 seconds. Opening the table takes 0,7 seconds. Filtering, locating, indexing, etc... takes only 1 second or less. 'table.append' takes 0.2 seconds BUT 'table.post' takes 3.4 seconds! Other config: RemoteAddress: XX.XX.XX.XX RemoteCompression: 6 RemoteEncryption: True RemotePing: True RemoteTimeout: 300 RemoteTrace: false EngineVersion: 4.28 Build 6 Involved table has an autoinc field, but other tables don't have an autoinc field and takes the same time. Another table, with just 8 string fields, no blob or memo fields, takes 1.5 seconds. Is there anything I can do? Thanks! -- Santy C "Tim Young [Elevate Software]" <timyoung@elevatesoft.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias:3619E8ED-2602-464B-9AE3-999C3BAA7BC6@news.elevatesoft.com... > Luis, > > << I'm using DBISAM 4 (latest version) and Delphi 7 Pro in a C/S > application over internet. >> > > What kind of bandwidth is available for your Internet connection ? And > how is the DBISAM Database Server connected to the Internet ? Is it using > a high-speed connection, and if so, is it synchronous bandwidth (same up > and down speed), or asynchronous bandwidth (high down speed, but low up > speed) ? > > << Is it possible to improve it or it is due to latency and I wouldn't > worry about it? >> > > It's most definitely a bandwidth/latency issue. Whether you should worry > about it or not depends upon whether this is how the production system > will be/or is set up. > > BTW, your DBISAM support plan expired at the end of December 2009. > > -- > Tim Young > Elevate Software > www.elevatesoft.com > |
Tue, Mar 9 2010 1:05 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. ![]() | Luis,
<< Ok, renewed. >> Great, thank you very much. << DBISAM Server computer has the following DSL connection, after a speed test: 24522 Kb/s down 19032 Kb/s up Client computer has the following DSL: 8360 Kb/s down 258 Kb/s up I have tried with two different tables. Both of them has a memo field. >> Did you modify the memo field in the test ? -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Tue, Mar 9 2010 1:38 PM | Permanent Link |
Luis Conception Gonzalez | > Did you modify the memo field in the test ?
No. Even if I just do a simple 'Append' and then a 'Post', with no new data entered, it takes 3.5 seconds. AFAIK, this has ocurred for me for years... I would be very grateful if we can improve this speed, because my applications could be really faster if we fix this issue... "Tim Young [Elevate Software]" wrote: Luis, << Ok, renewed. >> Great, thank you very much. << DBISAM Server computer has the following DSL connection, after a speed test: 24522 Kb/s down 19032 Kb/s up Client computer has the following DSL: 8360 Kb/s down 258 Kb/s up I have tried with two different tables. Both of them has a memo field. >> Did you modify the memo field in the test ? -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Wed, Mar 10 2010 9:00 AM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. ![]() | Luis,
<< Even if I just do a simple 'Append' and then a 'Post', with no new data entered, it takes 3.5 seconds. AFAIK, this has ocurred for me for years... I would be very grateful if we can improve this speed, because my applications could be really faster if we fix this issue... >> Did you try tracing the session using OnRemoteTrace ? http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=viewevent&id=dbisam4&product=d&version=7&comp=TDBISAMSession&event=OnRemoteTrace That will tell you exactly what is being called, how long it takes to send, and how long the response takes. You can also use DBSYS to do this. Just enable the tracing in the File/Options dialog (Remote/Enable Tracing). -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Thu, Mar 11 2010 10:30 AM | Permanent Link |
Luis Conception Gonzalez | Dear Tim...
I will send you a trace log file from one of the tables via email. That table has two blob fields (one Memo field and one Graphic field). I have deleted both of them, then repaired and optimized with no effects. It still takes 3 or 3.5 seconds to post. Table is not indexed nor filtered during tests. Comparing trace log with another table, this table 'Post' has a lot of aditional events. Thanks "Tim Young [Elevate Software]" wrote: Luis, << Even if I just do a simple 'Append' and then a 'Post', with no new data entered, it takes 3.5 seconds. AFAIK, this has ocurred for me for years... I would be very grateful if we can improve this speed, because my applications could be really faster if we fix this issue... >> Did you try tracing the session using OnRemoteTrace ? http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=viewevent&id=dbisam4&product=d&version=7&comp=TDBISAMSession&event=OnRemoteTrace That will tell you exactly what is being called, how long it takes to send, and how long the response takes. You can also use DBSYS to do this. Just enable the tracing in the File/Options dialog (Remote/Enable Tracing). -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Thu, Mar 11 2010 11:05 AM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. ![]() | Luis,
<< Table is not indexed nor filtered during tests. Comparing trace log with another table, this table 'Post' has a lot of aditional events. >> Yes, is is retrieving additional records - are you doing the trace from DBSYS ? If there is a grid attached, then there will be additional I/O. However, DBISAM should be optimizing this automatically so that the number of records read matches the number of visible rows in the grid. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Thu, Mar 11 2010 12:27 PM | Permanent Link |
Luis Conception Gonzalez | Hi, Tim...
Yes, there is a DBgrid attached. I'm doing my tests in an empty application. Not DBSys. Just a form with a DBGrid, Table, Datasource, Database and Session. If I unlink the DBGrid Datasource, it takes only 0.6 seconds, BUT I really need the DBGrid! Data is entered in it! The only trick I found is to disable DataSource on BeforePost and re-enable it on AfterPost, taking just 1 second! But I don't know if making this change in my real app will affect other events... "Tim Young [Elevate Software]" wrote: Luis, << Table is not indexed nor filtered during tests. Comparing trace log with another table, this table 'Post' has a lot of aditional events. >> Yes, is is retrieving additional records - are you doing the trace from DBSYS ? If there is a grid attached, then there will be additional I/O. However, DBISAM should be optimizing this automatically so that the number of records read matches the number of visible rows in the grid. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
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